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of the house homeland security committee, new york republican peter king. then where does america stand on the verge of a second obama term in office? the economy, the fiscal cliff talks, the president's priorities in the next four years. our roundtable is here. david brooks of "the new york times." msnbc's reverend al sharpton. former ceo of hewlett-packard carly fiorina >> historian and film maker ken burns. and nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. and we'll here from representative gregory meeks this morning as we check in on some of the hardest-hit victims of hurricane sandy and see how they offered thanks this weekend while surrounded by destruction. >>> from nbc news in washington, the world's longest-running television program, this is "meet the press." with david gregory. >>> president obama doing his part for the economy over the weekend out holiday shopping as part of small business saturday, picking up several children's book at an independent bookstore iypÑarlington. >>> meanwhile, uncertainty in the middle east. more clashes in egypt over the weekend as
, including peter king, i hope his wife understands commitments last a little longer than two years. >> i have to admit the 2r50u9, it turned me on. >> will you want to exact punishment on them in two years. >> you told them nothing, they got nothing. >> we can ask president bush how his second term went. >> thanksgiving is a preamble to the holiest day of the year. how much you're going to buy, what deal you're going to get. >> we have riots, fights. >> i guess it's better than the 50 million americans on foot stamps. the most dangerous place in the country was oat a victoria's secret. >> what happened to trampling people for the love of the game. >> they're miserable so they want you to be miserable. >> the very intelligent people who work at foss nex news. >> the worst is getting a rental car and having no idea what car is yours. >> that's a game changer. >> we're in a death spa with hispanic voters. >> the answer is self-deportation. people decide they can do better by going home. >> candidate romney, he dug the hole deeper. >> let's get to our panel now. ari melber is with me here in new
. and you look everybody is saying it, john boehner, mitch mcconnell peter king lindsay graham, on and on and on. all of these republicans coming out and saying we agree, you can't do it by spending cuts alone. you have got to raise revenues and we're on board, and we're willing to break the grover norquist pledge. these guys have totally recognized the american people agree with obama, and so therefore they are going to change their ways. here is my advise to all of you, all right. don't believe it. this is a con game. this is a shell game that the republicans are playing. let's listen to some of the voices. here for example is saxby channedless. it's valid now but times have changed significantly. and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year old pledge. >> bill: oh, yeah. he is setting himself up there as oh, man, i love my country, more than i love grover norquist. peter king yesterday. >> i agree entirely, a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have signed the declaration of war agai
majority leader eric cantor and congressman peter king are rebuking the norquist anti-tax pledge, a new gang of six saying in recent days they would break that pledge to look for new ways to generate revenue republican congressman peter king said bluntly, he is not ruling anything out. >> i agree entirely. a pledge to sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago. i think everything should be on the table. lou: two of the senator's not only reversing themselves on raising taxes but also rethinking their opposition to a susan rice secretary of state apartment. senators gramm and mccain both revising their political positions in a bit -- at a breathtaking pace. joining a summer we are calling the republican reset, the fiscal cliff, of course, and the coup in egypt, the president seemingly in search of a campaign. after a long holiday weekend, does anyone remember been gauzy? to find out, we are joined by of and the daily column founder and editor cockies contributor. thank you. let's start with republican party. is that too strong a word? in disarray. >> i think disarray is a little strong right now. w
a good holiday. >>> i want to turn to the republican side. peter king of new york. congressman, hope you had a good holiday. good to see you this morning. >> i had a great holiday, especially because notre dame beat southern cal. >> my poor step dad. he is not so happy this morning. >> i don't care about him. >> let me continue on the issue of taxes because this is important. and as i say, it's going to be the defining issue. you hear republican saxby chambliss say it's not going to govern what i do. norquist saying he promised the people of georgia that he would reform the government rather than raise taxes. where do you stand on the pledge? can this be overcome? with revenues be raised? >> first of all, i agree with chambliss. a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. for instance, if i were in congress in 1941, i would have signed the declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to attack japan today. the world has changed. the economic situation is different. ronald reagan and tip o'neill realized that in the 1980s. i think everything should be on the t
peter king on the controversy. >> i agree with chambliss. if i were in congress in 1941, i would have signed al declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to declare war against japan today. the times have changed. ronald reagan and tip o'neil recognized that in the '80s. everything should be on the table. >> joining me, ed and david. thank you for joining me. >> good to see you, alex. >> you heard representative king on "meet the press" saying that he agrees on the pledge to not raise taxes. >> if you look at exit polling, people want to see democrats and republicans working together. you talk to them over and over again and voters say that and expect it. you see lawmakers since they have returned saying that they want to work together and one of the ways is that whether it was on taxes or other issues. >> so david, the change of heart by the gop on taxes, is it legitimate? is it a philosophical change or facing political reality since the majority of the public are okay with tax hikes on the wealthy? >> it's a political reality and this is the result of an election. it is signi
is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> and zoraida, there you have grover norquist -- >> weeks. >> -- of course, from the americans for tax reform throwing out some pretty strong political hyperbole. but the fact of the matter is, as you said, fiscal cliff, 35 days away, and as we've heard from a lot of economists, if congress can't fix this, then we're in a lot of trouble. we can be heading back into recession. >> mark preston live in washington, d.c. thank you for that. so even if democrats and republicans get a spending deal done in time to steer clear of the fiscal cliff, derer thompson says it won't necessarily cure the economy. the senior editor of "the atlantic" joins us live in the next half hour. he has an interesting perspective. >>> ambassador susan rice heads to capitol hill this morning to mend fences with three republican senators. john mccain, lindsey graham and
petraeus have gone after him. congressman peter king, rogers, the chairman of the into committee. lou: have not heard anyone -- lou: you're right. they have not use that word. and that the and i. i mean, you talk about a world of spies. come on. >> obviously a major problem. the intelligence community. i don't think that is susan rice is a problem. given those talking points by the intelligence community. the intelligence community needs to be looked at and their relationship with the public's fear. >> the president of the united states who needs to be like that without question. >> she would not have been saying those things. come on. lou: we are out of time. i wish we could continue. thank you all. that is it for us tonight. we thank you for being with us. we will see you here tomorrow. good night from new york. ♪ d the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to t my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the hoday stress. save on ground shpping at fedex office. of green giant vegetables it's easy to eat like a giant... ♪ and fee
him. congressman peter king, rogers, the chairman of the into committee. lou: have not ard anyone -- lou:ou're right. they have not use that word. and that the and i. i mean, you talk about a world of spies. come on. obviously a major problem. the intelligence community. i don't think that is susan rice is a problem. given those talking points by the intelligence community. the intelligence community needs to be looked at and their relationship with the public's fear. >> the president of the ited states who needs to be like that without question. >> she would not havebeen saying those things. come on. lou: we are out of time. i wish we could continue. thank you all. that is it for us toniigh thank you for being with us. we will see you here tomorrow. we will see you here tomorrow. good night from new york. before co... i took my son fishing every year. we had a great spot, not easy to find, but worth it. but witith copd making it hard to breathe, i thought those days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps significantly improve my lung function starting within f
, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. you've got this. congressman peter king and now senator bob corker say they will ignore the decades old pledge that was signed by 241 house members and senators. he says he believes it is a huge game-changer. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should make to each other is to avoid becoming greece. republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt. we don't generate enough revenue. capping deductions will help generate revenue. raising tack rates will hurt job creation. bill: this is the heart of the matter. stuart varney, host of "varney & company". morning to you, sir? >> this is a real shift. one of the two sides had some movement in their position on the tax side of the debate. that side is the republican side. as you heard there from senator lindsey graham, other, and other republican, they are now prepared to accept getting more revenue from the rich. not higher tax rates on the rich but getting more revenue from them by capping deductions. there has been no movement on the other side of the aisle. democrats lik
peter king is live with us in about three minutes on that. martha: new demands as the fiscal cliff approaches about six weeks away now, what democrats are now asking for, democratic congressman bill pascrel is here next. bill: a chilly confrontation that left a couple praying for their lives. why a cellphone video made this guy pull out a gun. >> the vehicle that they were recording was wappin watching them and shortly after pulled alongside of them, pointed a firearm towards them and demanded the phone with the video. bill: a huge fire breaking out at a power plant outside wichita, kansas. a spokesman said it started about 2:00 in the morning inside a piece of high voltage equipment. firefighters say the flames spread to 15,000-gallons of mineral oil. the plant uses it for transformers. look at those flames. so far no reports of any injuries. that is wichita, kansas. martha: u.s. ambassador to the u.n. susan rice going back to capitol hill this morning for more meetings with republican leaders. they are going to talk about her controversial benghazi comments that got so much atten
had on this issue. "the new york times" reported on more defections from the anti-tax pledge. peter king of new york is the latest who marginalized the number one conservative lobbyist in washington. king said "a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. i don't think you can have a rule you're never going to raise taxes. or that you're never going to lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out." you mean there's actually a level-headed republican in the house that wants to talk about this? republicans shouldn't rule anything out because the democrats are giving them one hell of a deal to go home with. the president has on the table right now, let's keep the taxes where they are for 98% of americans. how can republicans not campaign on that? they are going to be able to go home and say, hey, i didn't raise your taxes. not if you're the 98% of americans. it's the top 2% that have to pay more. they won't even buy into that if you listen to rand paul. the the democrats want to reinstate the clinton era tax rates. this would bring in
, saxby chambliss, bob corker and peter king, they've said they're willing to compromise and consider revenue increases to avoid the fiscal clifft. their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing loopholes. you can get a heck of a lot of revenue that way. is this smart for them r or not? >> republicans are going to be yielding grown, but they have to avoid it under pressure. president has a strong hand. they have to keep their party together. frankly, i think loopholes are the -- so-called loopholes, deductions for home mortgage, at this point, the wrong place to look for new revenue. the place is look is with different kinds of tax sources. not by
to her side of the story. not what she is about. chance to speak up. peter king nailed it. the intel community might have given you papers and a talking point. no excuse not to use your inquisitiveness and find out answers on your own. the world is in new york city. what do you read on this? for the last five days i get this is al-qaeda. i'm not going to go throughout and make myself look bad -- >> eric: why are the senators pulling back? >> dana: i have a reason. i don't know this for sure. gut instinct. if you read carl cannon of real clear politics, straight down the middle guy, touching on your thing how bizarre the story is and how they slid past it. i doesn't pass the smell test. i think the reason that the republican senators can back off if that is what they're doing is last week, national liberal columnist came out and said it's not just the benghazi thing. forget about that. she does not deserve a promotion based on performance. if you have that, then if you have that on the left, on the right you can let go a little bit. >> kimberly: quick, i want to bring this up. this is
and bob corker in the senate and peter king in the house, they haven't said overall now we changed our tune, we're in favor of raising taxes, what they said is okay, maybe we will budge on tax increases of some form in exchange for some cuts to entitlements and things like that. so that's clearly a major difference in their stance. there is going to be a lot of tough negotiating that goes on here. no question about it. but the thing that has changed is the republicans are beginning to signal they will accept tax increases as part of some kind of deal to solve this fiscal cliff problem and start dealing with the $16 trillion debt. >> so you brought up some of the names. where do you seat republican party right now? are they beginning to line up behind the bob corkers and the saxby chambliss and lindsey graham willing to talk about new taxes on the wealthy, or is the party still, like, say, rand paul, i talked to him a short time ago. take a listen. >> -- willing to raise taxes when we're still spending $300,000 a year on robotic squirrels to watch rattlesnakes attack a robotic squirrel
that gives it solvency. >>peter: congressman king says no one will get what he wants but in president reagan and thomas "tip" o'neill could make a deal, so, too, should speaker boehner and president obama. >>gregg: and now the top people responsible for our defense, first, general petraeus resigning as head the c.i.a. amid scandal. there could also be big changes at the pentagon. as well at state department. whoever the president chooses, it could impact, for example, the use of armed drones taking out al qaeda overseas. and lots of other security matters. and now, a fox news contributeor and pollster joining us, and former senior advisor to senator john mccain. the use of the unmanned drones to take out terrorists who want to murder americans, on its face it should be a no-brainer but national security appears to be politicized. >> that is right. to their credit the obama administration in the days up to the election were trying to codify the rules and regulations for making those difficult decisions. however, we are alonging at the possibility of massive defense cuts. we have new personnel
has changed, and the economic situation is different. >> so peter king is telling us, mike barnicle, not only is he going soft on taxes, he's going soft on japan. >> i know. >> it's not just peter king on the taxes. it's a big step, don't you think? >> it's a big step. >> grover. yeah, grover's taking a big hit since the election. there's no doubt about it. i think john, you'd verify this. number of republicans, i've talked to a couple of united states senators who said there's at least 10 to 12 republican senators who are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over. sanity is contagious. >> now, the question is, is the president going to stay where he is and go, you know what? we're going to do it my way or no other way? we're going to raise it to 90 -- to 39.6%. steve rattner had a great column yesterday. >> it's a must-read. >> you know there's more than one way to skin a cat, more than one way to raise over a trillion dollars in revenues. it doesn't just have to be the president's way. is the white house going to insist on the 39.6%
chambliss, peter king, coker, lindsey graham, who have been fiscal conservatives their entire lives. so it's very hard, i think, to make the argument. i think it's silly, also, to have this circular fire squad against good republicans who have been getting elected, and, you know, in order -- i think it's silly to take a circular fire squad and take him out during a primary, because of some piece of paper that got signed or not signed, lived up to or not lived up to. if, in fact, they are fiscal conservatives, which is the entire point of this discussion. we are losing the point of it. because we're getting so hung up on this, you know, piece of paper. i really find it somewhat silly, the entire thing. >> some people have suggested there is an interesting procedural solution to this idea, and that would be to actually let everything go off the cliff, even just for a day. what would happen then is the tax rates would automatically go up on everyone. again, even just a day. then on january 2nd or oh january 3rd or january 4th, everyone could come back together. they could vote for tax cuts fo
off your shoe. >> everybody who signed the pledge including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today. >> new york sun? >> understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> oh, you're comparing your stupid little pledge to his marriage to his wife. oh, i see. what? all right you're really priceless, grover, grover, grover, grover. ♪ >> yeah, he he's going off the deep end getting personal like that. i'm for getting rid of p.b.s. if it gets rid of grover. >> stephanie: kids, what's fun in one word? soda stream, right? >> yeah. >> stephanie: fun! wow! there was a lot of annoying kids in that commercial. it's a new way to enjoy soda made at home in less than 30 seconds. right? it took a lot longer than that to get to the park off the transit. >> fun? that's what they said at that german zoo. >> stephanie: stop it. [buzzer] >> stephanie: it's the ultimate holiday gift. seriously, everybody loves it, moms dads, kids, teenagers. >> even kids with chicken pox. >> stephanie: kids that climb on rocks. stop with the
question is all concerns around senators lindsey graham, saxby chambliss, congressman peter king among other republicans who said they'd be willing to break away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. will you say if you're willing to break that pledge in order to save the country from the fiscal cliff. >> hello, thomas. and first of all, i signed that pledge two years ago, and the reason i signed it is because i think increasing tax rates, increasing the amount of money that the federal government takes away from job creators is going to harm economic growth and economic growth is the number one component to a solution. what all these senators are saying is they'll take a look at their pledge only if the president puts forward his plan. how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his p
and the no tax pledge, that pledge doesn't obtain anymore because the situation has changed. peter king said the same on "meet the press." what say you about the norquist pledge? you're a signatory. >> i really am surprised about the obsession with this one individual that doesn't compare at all to the lack of obsession about the economic doldrums that we're in as a nation. look, people didn't sign that pledge because they were coerced into it. people signed that pledge because it encompasses the kinds of solutions that will move us in the right direction. increasing tax rates on the american people and on small businesses means you take money from people, money from small businesses, and you transfer it to the government. we don't believe that that's the wise place to do that. we believe that those dollars are best spent and the economy is helped most when those dollars are left in people's pockets and small businesses. so why folks would negotiate with themselves about whether or not they still think that that's a positive economic principle, is beyond me. >> well, presuming that you can g
. >> the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the same thing with other people who are elected because they made that written commitment to the people of their state. >> that sounds like a threat. >> why does he keep making this romantic sexual thing? >> don't make it sexual! >> impure thoughts? romance and marriage? >> he's really sad. he's a little heartbroken here. he's had a lot of his life in this sacred oath, and they're discarding it like it was nothing. dan, two grover's point, you know, are those republicans having just impure thoughts as he put it, or are they willing to move away from the pledge and actually when it comes down to it not just increase revenues through closing loopholes but increase the rates? >> this is the reason why we shouldn't be so qui
the pledge including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> eliot: warren buffett continued to be the pragmatic voice of the majority. >> i think there is a general feeling among the american public certainly and even among many in congress that the rich like me have been getting away with low tax rates and it is time to make the tax rates more progressive. >> eliot: for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations, i'm joined by congressman peter welch, democrat from vermont. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> eliot: what should the deal look like? all of the chatter, smoke and mirrors, what is the deal you would like to see? >> well, first of all, i do believe the middle class has a stake and a good, solid balanced, deficit reduction plan. the plan should be what the president campaigned on, namely balance. that means we've got to have a substantial contribution from
there and turns out times change. peter king is also saying he's going to go against the pledge who agreed to it years and years and his reasoning that times have changed. here is the caviat . you are a republican and don't want to raise taxes and willing to compromise a bit, the democrats have to compromise with entitlement spending there. is a way here to find common ground and get away from the all or nothing pledges that the american public many of them were upset about the grid lock. >> brian: it is all symbolic. that brings 80 billion a year and would pay ian volving credit but it doesn't touch our deficit or balance our budget and the other thing that is important they have to get something in return. we'll put it up on the clinton rates and not touch medicare or medicaid? it is all part of the deal. >> gretchen: once you get people back to the table. it is it like a marriage, marriages don't work when one party said i will not budge on anything. >> brian: i hope my wife is listening. >> steve: we are in the let's make a deal stage. both sides want to appear flexibility when it come
have been cracking this door a little bit. peter king said over the weekend for instance if i was in congress in 1941 with refrpbl reference to the pledge you made i would have signed a war against japan. i'm not going to attack japan today. the world has changed and the economic situation is different. that from peter kin. about is make it clear, what raising revenues and not tax rates. just on the surface, why do you believe that the door is starting to crack a little bit? why are republicans talking this way? >> two things, the people who are saying that they might vote for a tax increase that bush got talked into in 1990 for return for make believe spending cuts are the same people who said this two years ago, this is a complete media-created frenzy. peter king said this two years ago, lindsey graham said this two years ago. chamblis of georgia said this two years ago. they said all these things all during the negotiations where they tried to undermine where john boehner and mitch mcconnell got 2.5 trillion in spending cuts without a dollar than tax increase and those peop
maybe we'll break that pledge. take a listen to peter king kongman from new york, a republican. >> i agree entirely with saxby chambliss. a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1941 i would have signed a support of declaration of war against japan. we're not going to attack japan today. the world has changed. >> king says that he's personally against raising taxes but he said, you know, when it comes to these negotiations everything needs to be on the table. john? >> all right, paul steinhauser down in washington this morning. great to see you. >> 32 minutes past the hour. no bah, humbug, just lots of buying over the weekend. a record $247 million shoppers hit the stores, and the websites right after thanksgiving. the national retail federation saying they also spent more money, this is compared to last year. but will shoppers still be in a spending mood today? because you know today is cyber monday. >> huh. that's why i got out of bed. >> christine romans is here. >> i can't go on about being something else. cyber monday the mad
to the idea of higher taxes broadly. we heard over the weekend senator lindsey graham, congressman peter king, joining in --. megyn: but they're talking about closing loopholes and deductions that is what romney ran on and it has been republican position for a while. >> they just discovered it. where were they when the republican standard-bearer needed that support? there is lack of intellectual integrity surrounding this entire issue. if they had any shame in washington, d.c. they would be embarassed. >> they are political animals. they have to think what is sellable to their constituents. when the simpson-bowles debt commission got together and we have to tackle the debt and it will kill us all, they said, what if we raised the age of social security retirement one year. went to 68. did it in 30 years. not going to do it right now, 30 years. dick durbin, wanted that. i will sign onto that, a democrat. we don't have the time. we have a dick durbin sound bite. dick durbin said that. he was in favor of that. >> i can't stand it. we're losing dick durbin sound bite. megyn: time is short. the po
cliff. many lawmakers are saying they're open to breaking their pledge. >> peter king who tried to weasle out of it i hope his wife understands that commitments last more than two years. >> that was a bit below the belt, grover. >>> the crane that collapsed in australia also owns the crane in new york that collapsed during hurricane sandy. >>> bracing for a wintry mix. know and rain moving in from the midwest. >> amazing story of survival. man using the lid of a cooler to tread water for hours after his boat capsized. >>> all that -- >> anthony for three. >> charlie rose co-hosting "cbs this morning" in the early am -- >> touchdown, carolina. >> carolina wins 30-22. >> and all that matters -- >> you and i have lived much different lives. i mean i think that is apparent. >> you are a white man. >> i am a -- >> cyber monday the biggest shopping day online ever. >> cyber monday which means i was drunk when i bought all that crap tuesday. captioning funded by cbs >>> welcome to "cbs this morning." united nations ambassador susan rice meets face t >>> welc
and said i don't know who changed the talking points to take out al-qaeda. that's what peter king told us when he came on our show among other, and mike rogers attested to that. and then a couple days later his office came out and said, it was us. we were the ones who changed the talking points to take out al-qaeda. and then mike romers said -- mike rogers, mr. clapper, can you explain why you just told us it wasn't you and you had no idea who did it? so that's why i asked if she gave you a name of who briefed her. >> no. we have not been getting a name, but i would say, megyn, that i still think that there needs to be more sufficient answers as to what agency changed the talking points and who did that, and those are some of the questions we have answers -- we expect answers to. and also why they did that. it's absurd to me to think that you would omit the reference of al-qaeda. so we didn't want to tip al-qaeda off? and particularly since it's very important that the american people not be left a misleading impression which is what happened here. and not only did it happen, if the intel
personal trainer. the point is conservatives are jumping ship. >> peter king knows full well the pledge he signed is for while you're in congress not for a two year period. >> anti-tax pledge is eternal and unbreakable. like a pact with the devil or a gym membership. you'll get your money! >> very funny. >> capitol hill budget talks get bogged down as republicans complain that democrats won't give up anything. >> this morning we'll ask amy klobuchar about the fiscal cliff and about the growing number of women in congress. but right now, dr. holly phillips says the old real estate mantra location, location, location may apply to your health. >> good morning today in health watch your neighborhood and your health. how you feel about your neighborhood can play a big role iryour physical health. a new study finds people who like their community or feel that it's improving have better physical health than those who don't like where they live or feel like it's getting worse. researchers polled more than 300,000 americans over the age of 18. people who said they were satisfied with their neighbor
that and peter king did too. it is against raising taxes. there are other ways to do revenue. the democrats don't like those other ways. it is called growth. that brings in more revenue. and readjusting the tax code to bring in more revenue. you don't have to raise taxes on anybody. host: let's go to jim in new castle, delaware, on our republican line. caller: good morning. the reason we have to be against tax increases and for spending cuts is to just show that we are a different party than the national sociologist parted as running the white house and the senate right now. economic growth is being held back by the gigantic government in this country. have to go over= a cliff. right now we have to change the business cycle. washington is getting bigger and we are getting closer to the final disaster. republicans have to stand for something. it cannot just be democrat light. i am a republican and am pretty disgusted by what going on in the republican party. we need to get some conservatives running. we cannot just keep nominating the next guy. we need someone like ronald reagan again. we need t
of house homeland security committee, peter king. >> the only pledge we should make is avoid becoming greece. republicans should put revenue on the table. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. the fact the speaker and majority leader and president will be in another room trying to find the best package. i will not prejudge it. jon: joining us now for a fair and balanced debate the doug thorn former communication is chairman for the democratic national committee and congressman chris van hollen. ron bonjean for. former aide to house speaker dennis hastert. has grover norquist lost his will? >> speaker boehner said revenues would be on the table as well as spending cuts and entitlement reform but we would not raise tax rates. i have seen nothing different than what these senators have said in the last day or so than what speaker boehner has said. the key here is the devil is in the details. once we see some sort of fine print in the next couple weeks, we'll know, you know, we'll know whether our legislators stand. one interesting thing here.
the other saxby chambliss, lindsey graham, bob corker, peter king, they're willing to break the grover norquist pledge and consider new revenue. is this really anything new? >> no. all right. next question? first of all they're not saying anything new first of all. they're not saying we're willing to talk about rates -- >> bill: in fact they're saying they'll vote against rates -- getting rid of the bush tax cuts. >> this is not a change in policy at all. that's number one. number two these are -- senate republicans who don't have a lot of influence in this particular subject area. they're not the most -- they're not the biggest players. third, they're senate republicans. we need house republicans to change their minds. so i said this in my blog yesterday, this is not as significant as it seems and all of those who made such a big deal about it over the weekend are missing the key point. it is not a change in policy and two, look who it is. it is not that important. when i see some tea party switching and eric canto
gramm represented peter king, talking publicly abandoning the pledge of democrats will talk seriously about entitlement reforms. rest in peace, grover norquist? there are not enough republican tax hikes -- republicans to hike taxes for obama. the left is doing its best to make tax hikes appear to be a foregone conclusion. that is their take on tax hikes. eddie, on our line for independents, you are next. caller: i think president obama was elected to make the hard costs. host: what you mean? caller: he was elected to make a choice for the country. the majority of the country. the republicans are wrong and he is right. and i think that he should let us what the fiscal cliff because the republicans are scrambling out trying to change everything. they need to mow them out. and change it then. but i think they should let them go off the cliff. host: are you on medicare and social security? having yes. cliff wranglers way medicare age. can the country afford to continue on this road? paying what we pay for medicare? caller: we can afford it but it is a necessary evil. we have got to of the
, saxby chambliss lindsey graham, peter king, bob corker is the other one who said we're not bound by this. we don't feel we're bound by this pledge anymore. chuck schumer yesterday dan indicating that this -- he sees this as a good sign. >> republicans in both the house and senate are deciding they no longer want to be married to this pledge. republicans are saying they want a divorce from grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that the fiscal deal is within reach. both sides are still far apart. the discussions over the next few weeks will be difficult but with each new republican disavowing grover norquist, the chances of a deal rises sharply. >> bill: daniella, is grover over? >> oh, please, lord, let it be true! you know, i think so. there was a funny thing politico arena they ask these questions every day. one of the questions a couple of days ago was is grover norquist's reign over. the first person who responded was grover norquist. no. republicans are -- blah, blah, blah. >> bill: he says his
imhoff and others to battle it out. and peter king on susan rice. the most important question for the potential secretary of state may be what does she really believe about the threat of al-qaeda? bill and i will see you on that and much more at the top of the hour [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, unions, and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. let's fix dinner. >> brian: he's one of country music's hottest new artists with his debut album hitting number one in the charts. thanks to this single "cowboys and angels." >> steve: now country singer dustin lynch is out with his second single and he joins us live in just a moment. you'll be performing "che cranks my tractor, which is the perfect song for the holidays. >> definitely is. the video is perfect also. >> steve: was that tease accurate? you got a c in music? >> i did, yeah. i got a c. >> brian: how can that be? >> i think i just talked a
threatening injuries and the other two listed in serious condition. representative peter king is stepping down as chairman of the house homeland security committee. the move could mean less cash coming into new york to combat terrorism because congressman king made it his mission to ensure that his committee received the amount of federal money it could. >> dave: and meanwhile, larry hagman best known for "dallas", but few knew of his support for organ donation and helped patients fight their fears. >> alisyn: he showed other people his other scar. >> every few years whether at salt lake city, columbus, orlando, minneapolis, louisville, and now here in pittsburgh, i never get tired of saying how much i love these games. on the count of three, show us our wounds of honor. one, two, three. (laughter) . >> alisyn: well, hagman made a lasting impression on children and daughters and one is catherine herridge who joins us now, great to see you. >> yeah, good to see you, thanks for having me this morning. >> how do you meet larry hagman. >> i hit him in 2008 and he was introduced as mr. hagman and h
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